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 Abuse to former players
Topic Originator: brian  
Date:   Fri 30 Jul 11:25

I will black card anybody that is abusive to former players.

fair enough to have an opinion, but ....

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 Re: Abuse to former players
Topic Originator: Bamba-Daft  
Date:   Fri 30 Jul 11:29

get.. a.. grip..

mon the cage!!
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 Re: Abuse to former players
Topic Originator: HandsomeBob  
Date:   Fri 30 Jul 11:29

LOL!

"Make a man a fire and he will be warm for a day, set a man on fire and he will be warm for the rest of his life."
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 Re: Abuse to former players
Topic Originator: brian  
Date:   Fri 30 Jul 11:32

not me that needs to get a grip. the abuse is shocking and the people doing it don't deserve to be on this forum.

if you don't like it don't come back.



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 Re: Abuse to former players
Topic Originator: parma ham  
Date:   Fri 30 Jul 11:47

How about abuse of current players?
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 Re: Abuse to former players
Topic Originator: Good old cage days  
Date:   Fri 30 Jul 11:48

Better black card half the forum then old chap. Bit excessive is it not?



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 Re: Abuse to former players
Topic Originator: thelasthunter  
Date:   Fri 30 Jul 11:57

[Post Deleted] - Whinging
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 Re: Abuse to former players
Topic Originator: Angus_W  
Date:   Fri 30 Jul 12:15

I don't think people should be Black carded for expressing their views on an ex-player. Everyone is entitled to their opinion.

It's just a bit sad when people can't say anything positive about the players contribution to the team. Maybe something to think about next time you leave a job & someone wishes you good-luck. What's the point in a negative comment?

What happens if Scott Muirhead turns out to be a really good coach & comes back to Scotland looking for a team. He'll probably remember all thoose "kind thoughts" & won't come near the Pars with a bargepole. & who could blame him. It's a small world out there.



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 Re: Abuse to former players
Topic Originator: Fifes Elite  
Date:   Fri 30 Jul 12:16

Hmm would my opinion on Simmons be regarded as abuse?


Edited - Infact just checked it and it's been deleted so take that as a yes


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 Re: Abuse to former players
Topic Originator: Kendo  
Date:   Fri 30 Jul 12:30

I'm with Brian if he means abuse which is of a personal nature.

If posters are honestly questioning a past contribution to the club along the lines of, "I never rated him", that seems perfectly resonable.

But I'm a big softy and don't like vindictive personal slights being dished out. I suspect that means I worthy of abuse from the "it's only banter" brigade.

Seriously, think about whether it's a considered football opinion, or your demonstrating an inability with the written word.



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 Re: Abuse to former players
Topic Originator: brian  
Date:   Fri 30 Jul 12:35

sorry Angus W, I totally disagree.

sure you can have you comments, but this is a Pars Supporters forum and you would think that some people would tend to do so.

calling somebody a s******g is just not on, I don't care what some people say.

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 Re: Abuse to former players
Topic Originator: VivaLaPars  
Date:   Fri 30 Jul 12:40

Why should we be civil about the likes of Simmons and Hamilton? Who showed Pars fans nothing but disrespect and contempt?

Paulo Nutini GTF!!!!
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 Re: Abuse to former players
Topic Originator: clockwork orange  
Date:   Fri 30 Jul 12:41

My comment about SM " Stealing money " has been removed.

I would not regard that as abuse Brian - just my opinion. When I pay good money to see a player not giving his all , I am entitled to be angry and accuse said player.

If a poster comes on and is abusive then fair enough.

If you had your way at EEP there would be no fans left.

Nanny state right enough.

Are you a regular church goer by the way ?
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 Re: Abuse to former players
Topic Originator: brian  
Date:   Fri 30 Jul 12:42

you can be civil on here, what you do else where is your prerogative.

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 Re: Abuse to former players
Topic Originator: fritz  
Date:   Fri 30 Jul 12:54

This site is no longer a forum where views,opinions and debate are actively encouraged.

Like it or not Brian, not everyone has the same opinion as you and debate and discussion can only be a good thing. You can't create a forum then dilute the content to agree with your views- if you do so the site becomes pointless.
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 Re: Abuse to former players
Topic Originator: ADS77  
Date:   Fri 30 Jul 12:57

current players ok then brian? lol

spot on there fritz!
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 Re: Abuse to former players
Topic Originator: Groovydave1973  
Date:   Fri 30 Jul 12:57

I often wonder about stuff from this website being read by a Historian in 200 years or so.

I just feel I should share that with y'all.


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 Re: Abuse to former players
Topic Originator: brian  
Date:   Fri 30 Jul 13:04

not stopping you having an opionin but you can be moderate about it. its a public forum after all.

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 Re: Abuse to former players
Topic Originator: clockwork orange  
Date:   Fri 30 Jul 13:05

Can we still be abusive towards F*lkirk ?

Oh please Brian - let us.

I promise not to do it on a Sunday tho'
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 Re: Abuse to former players
Topic Originator: LiverPar  
Date:   Fri 30 Jul 13:07

Stephen Simmons is sh** at football

surely that doesn't deserve a black card as its a fact. He may be a nice guy (highly doubt it) but he is crap at football...

^ what level of abuse is that sort of thing?



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 Re: Abuse to former players
Topic Originator: Zimbo  
Date:   Fri 30 Jul 13:11

Down with this sort of thing...
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 Re: Abuse to former players
Topic Originator: Fifes Elite  
Date:   Fri 30 Jul 13:23

I think it's the wording and insults hurled at the players that Brians getting annoyed at

For example, I called Murihead a "s******g" which was deleted.

However if I said that Calderwood punted him out of Aberdeen as he shirked too many 50/50 challenges, and he was no better here than I think my post wouldn't have been deleted.

Although I don't agree with Brians stance I can see his point of view, although it pains me to say it

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 Re: Abuse to former players
Topic Originator: Fifes Elite  
Date:   Fri 30 Jul 13:25

"Stephen Simmons is sh** at football

surely that doesn't deserve a black card as its a fact. He may be a nice guy (highly doubt it) but he is crap at football...
"

Simmons is a poor calibre of footballer and did not meet expectations and did not meet perforance requirements. I also question his techincal abilty for this level of football.

Raith, Falkirk, Airdrie and Cowdenbeath their combined historical achievements are forever in our shadow.
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 Re: Abuse to former players
Topic Originator: Angus_W  
Date:   Fri 30 Jul 13:30

Mmmmmmmm.....

Surely we have to be careful here. A message-board is all about opinions. Some off the comments made about x-players tells us a lot more about the posters than what has been written.

To me the message-board is all about free expression, you might not agree with what people say but that's half the fun of it. If people want to slag off players, management fans...etc that's all part of it.

This site is a bit of fun & long may it continue.

..& whilst on the subject of x-players

Mr Simmons is still a Sherene Nanjiani!





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 Re: Abuse to former players
Topic Originator: Groovydave1973  
Date:   Fri 30 Jul 13:32


"Simmons yer a poor calibre of footballer and did not meet expectations and did not meet perforance requirements. I also question yer techincal abilty for this level of football."

I can just picture someone shouting this at him in our next visit to Starks Park.


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 Re: Abuse to former players
Topic Originator: Fifes Elite  
Date:   Fri 30 Jul 13:37

"I can just picture someone shouting this at him in our next visit to Starks Park."

Im gona do it right behind you just to prove a point ;-)

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 Re: Abuse to former players
Topic Originator: Good old cage days  
Date:   Fri 30 Jul 13:37

Agreed with what you say Angus.

Although be carefull - Your post will no doubt get removed because his lordship disagrees with you - Free expression usually results in "Post deleted - Whinging"



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 Re: Abuse to former players
Topic Originator: HandsomeBob  
Date:   Fri 30 Jul 13:40

Brian thinks that people have stopped posting on this site because of some people generally being idiotic and derogatory etc. I bet more people have left because of these daft orders/rules he keeps making up as he goes along.

Post deleted whinging - Prediction.

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 Re: Abuse to former players
Topic Originator: Fifes Elite  
Date:   Fri 30 Jul 13:45

or posters user id's being deleted without any cards being issued....

However on the points on abuse like I say, I can see with Brians point of view.



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 Re: Abuse to former players
Topic Originator: broontroot  
Date:   Fri 30 Jul 14:02

its ma ball ,am no playing ! grow up brian ,are you mary whitehouse in disguise ?
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 Re: Abuse to former players
Topic Originator: LiverPar  
Date:   Fri 30 Jul 14:04

as long as the poster doesn't go OTT I don't see a problem. Sometimes, myself included, a poster just needs to post his thoughts on a player no matter if he's x or current to vent some anger....



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 Re: Abuse to former players
Topic Originator: Angus_W  
Date:   Fri 30 Jul 14:06

....let's not forget.

Brian also runs this site for the benefit of all Pars fans & not for financial gain & we should be grateful for that.

He's not your mum/teacher/social worker or someone with a big net and a tranquiliser gun. If any of us (Including me) thinks thay can do a better job then **** off & do it.

..Thanks again Brian keep up the good work!



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 Re: Abuse to former players
Topic Originator: Digs  
Date:   Fri 30 Jul 14:23

Can't believe my comments were deleted, and be threatended with a Black Card?!. That's actually quite funny, especially describing them as a 'Personal Attack'. I actually praised him more than once in my post, or did you not read the whole thing?

If you think, in the footballing context, that calling someone a s******g to illustrate a point that he continually pulls out of tackles (ie he tended to sh*te out of them, which is a fact) is unacceptable, then you must think footballers lead very sheltered lives.

I'm pretty sure that Scott Muirhead, or any other footballer for that matter, couldn't give a to** what I, or anyone else thinks about them. At the end of the day, all he needs to do is point to his professional contract and then ask to see mine. Argument over.

He's not going to recoil to the foetal position and sit rocking back and forth in a darkended padded room because I used a harsh word to desribe his less than robust style of play. I used an 'industrial' term to make a point more than one of his previous managers had also made.

I take the same stance as Angus above, you should be applauded for running the best Pars site on the web for free in your own time, and that over the top abuse should be stamped on, but tbh what I said wasn't over the top and I stand by that, and I think you're being way over sensitive.

My contact details and my real name are in my profile, if Scott Muirhead, or any other player I've ever criticised wants to take issue with it, I'd happily repeat those comments to them personally. I won't hold my breath waiting though.....




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 Re: Abuse to former players
Topic Originator: thelasthunter  
Date:   Fri 30 Jul 15:03

Brian,you need to chill.If you don't like it,don't look at it or get uptight,move on.

welcome to the country club!
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 Re: Abuse to former players
Topic Originator: VivaLaPars  
Date:   Fri 30 Jul 15:03

Agree with Digs



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 Re: Abuse to former players
Topic Originator: rigano  
Date:   Fri 30 Jul 16:28

I suspect Digs that Brian thought you were using another word beginning with S to describe Murihead and therefore you have just made him look a tube.
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 Re: Abuse to former players
Topic Originator: DougieDave  
Date:   Fri 30 Jul 16:30

What date's this - April 1st ?
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Topic Originator: parascooper  
Date:   Fri 30 Jul 16:51

zzzzzzzzzzzzzz grunt grunt hello

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 Re: Abuse to former players
Topic Originator: Shakey  
Date:   Fri 30 Jul 17:21

just do as yer told you lot!;-)

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 Re: Abuse to former players
Topic Originator: gogzy1885  
Date:   Fri 30 Jul 17:28

Imagine if Jim Hamilton scores the winner for Arbroath on Saturday and gives the finger to the lips salute to our fans,how many black cards will be issued?

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Topic Originator: parascooper  
Date:   Fri 30 Jul 17:34

realistically thats no gonna happen neebs......anyhoo ide take a black for that chimp anyday of the week........only crawing i wouldnae really you kin book me if you want i find the yellow caird gives abit of an edge on said forum

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Topic Originator: gogzy1885  
Date:   Fri 30 Jul 17:37

I'm not really worried about it happening but ex-players have that horrible habit of kicking you in the balls, Tom McManus last season with Ayr still hurts.

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 Re: Abuse to former players
Topic Originator: Fu_Manchu  
Date:   Fri 30 Jul 18:05

Is it still okay for me to state how $hite Doug Considine was, as he is a former player...? ;-)

Is there some sort of time limit, before it becomes acceptable to slag off former players...?
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 Re: Abuse to former players
Topic Originator: AdamAntsParsStripe  
Date:   Fri 30 Jul 18:28

Doug Considine was a highly skilled cultural player who wowed the East End Faithful especially Brian.
It's not true he was the biggest waste of money and the worst pile of dung in a black and white top.
I think Fu should be black carded for these comments.
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 Re: Abuse to former players
Topic Originator: gingapar  
Date:   Fri 30 Jul 18:50

any comments regarding an opinion on the way someone plays football should be fine, for instance;

"Simon Stephens is a waste of space, useless footballer with a tendency towards hiding and moaning at everyone else for his mistakes"

however, putting in writing on a forum like this;

"Simon Stephens is a f****n' p********e"

is clearly out of order and an entirely non football related slight on the person and deleting such things as a personal attack is fair. but such things tend not to be posted on forums and are reserved for chanting at the person in the safety in numbers of matchday.

*names may have been changed to protect a certain 'poor wee souled' ex-player.

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 Re: Abuse to former players
Topic Originator: brian  
Date:   Fri 30 Jul 19:10

HandsomeBob - you are sooooo wrong

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 Re: Abuse to former players
Topic Originator: Kozmawasking  
Date:   Fri 30 Jul 22:33

Brian, Im not getting this. Your reasons for halting the abuse of former players are that this is a public forum. Its your ball and what you guys say goes but throughout the forums there are people dishing out personal abuse about all sorts of people, referee's, stewards at games, police officers at games, maggie thatcher, gordon brown etc etc. So where do we draw the line? Who's allowed to be slated in the public forum and who's not? I might be that steward or policeman and more likely to read this forum than Jim Hamilton and probably more likely to be offended!! Im not having a go, just looking for a bit of guidance??
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 Re: Abuse to former players
Topic Originator: KozmaBoz  
Date:   Fri 30 Jul 22:37

I totally agree with Brian's stance on this.
The abuse dished out to players like Muirhead and Hamilton on here and in the grounds made me question supporting the Pars.
Booing your own players is a disgrace and we need to stop having a scapegoat for our fall from grace.
Every one of the moaners couldn't get a game for a junior team so please stfu.

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Topic Originator: wee eck  
Date:   Fri 30 Jul 22:41

It is possible to criticise without being abusive - is that not the point Brian is making?
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 Re: Abuse to former players
Topic Originator: DougieDave  
Date:   Fri 30 Jul 22:55

he might have worded it better then the tube
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 Re: Abuse to former players
Topic Originator: Buranokan  
Date:   Fri 30 Jul 23:07

Brian couldn't string together a convincing, sensible argument if he tried, and why should he? Not only does he own this forum but he and he alone has made it what it is, the rest of us are just dietary fibre, non contributing roughage that ought to be pooped out and stepped in.

Brian is a hot bath after a hard days work, that first cup of tea in the morning. It matters not that this hasn't been properly thought through and that he and he alone knows where the line is to be drawn. All that matters is that when Brian is talking, you all better damn well listen.
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Topic Originator: DougieDave  
Date:   Fri 30 Jul 23:09

he's still a tube
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Topic Originator: renegade master  
Date:   Fri 30 Jul 23:09

George O'Boyle discuss..... pmsl
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Topic Originator: Stein  
Date:   Fri 30 Jul 23:11

Slagging off players is part and parcel of a football match anywhere in the world, wether it be forum or actual game. But there's two different types; Giving an opposing player a severe caning is something he'd expect anyway, and I imagine they're all used to it after one season as a pro. Rollicking your own players is something different. Again, its a category thing for me. You get the loudmouth who dishes it out to the same player/players every week. Many of these numpties get a perverse kick out of it, some do it to make up for a subservient home life ($hit scared of their 7 stone missus) and every saturday they feel overwhelmed with bravado(3 half pints later) as they slaughter their own player from the safety of row Z. Others just see no good in a certain player no matter how much they improve. First half of last season was shocking. Four players in particular got it heavy (inc macca) every week from around centre main stand where I sit. It was like a tape recording, same speil every bloody week. To be fair, they copped it back from other punters. It proves that many of the mouthpieces not only know little about football, but are detrimental to the cause. Oddly enough, two of the main recipients of the grief picked up player of the year awards. Having said that, you only hear the minority. 90%odd back the team all the way. We can all have a moan due to frustration or simply a bad miss or a stupid pass, but it shouldnt get personal. Would these guys who get personal fancy repeating it to the player if he met him at the bar? Dont think so, he's probably buy him a drink, tell him great he was and shake his hand. ....But I suppose thats football.
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Topic Originator: DougieDave  
Date:   Fri 30 Jul 23:15

Spot on Stein - Spot On
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 Re: Abuse to former players
Topic Originator: clockwork orange  
Date:   Fri 30 Jul 23:28

I have very rarely dished out abuse at a game, because it does the team no good. I have voted with my feet, ocassionally - last game I walked out of early was the "Bamba show " against Accies.

I prefer to keep my opinions about individual performances etc until the pub after the game - or on a fans website- whereby we can all vent our spleens rightly or wrongly(not now apparently )

The fact that most of us could not kick a ball to save ourselves is neither here nor there.

It is all about opinions - and yes some people do go over the top but for christ's sake if you cant make a genuine criticism about a player, ESPECIALLY THOSE WHO ARE GONE then the forum is as well being shut down.

And as SM seemed to have started all this baloney - yes there were may worse - does not change the fact that he was rubbish for 90% of his time at EEP, could not tackle a fish supper, and took money on the false pretences of being a professional footballer who should be able to rise above criticism and at least show heart and commitment- that is the first thing we as Pars want to see- guts, he lacked everything require to make it and he will certainly not make it down under either- because he is gutless.

I wish him well tho'- and hope he finds his niche in a non contact sport.
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 Re: Abuse to former players
Topic Originator: Oompar Par  
Date:   Sat 31 Jul 03:31

Scott Muirhead didn't like a tackle. You can say that a million ways, some more diplomatic than others. Personally, I appreciate a wee bit of diplomacy, although I'm not in favour of banning the inarticulate. Let people say what they want to say in their own style. If standards of diplomacy need to improve, say so, but don't pick on those with a limited vocabulary. I absolutely don't think people are entitled to an opinion, but I do think people are entitled to an opportunity to express themselves to the best of their ability. If you don't want daft posts, put an IQ test in the application process and proceed to the most boring, stilted forum ever!
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 Re: Abuse to former players
Topic Originator: Kev-Dafc  
Date:   Sat 31 Jul 05:02

thank you brian for the all the work you have done but, STEVEN SIMMONS IS A winker!
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Topic Originator: Kendo  
Date:   Sat 31 Jul 09:17

Genius Kev-Dafc. To follow from what Oompar had to say about aticulacy with your post. I'm going to credit you with a astute sense of irony; only you know the truth. ;-)



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Topic Originator: Turpintine  
Date:   Sat 31 Jul 09:22

Tam McManus.... He was brutal once he got a contract!

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 Re: Abuse to former players
Topic Originator: Pituicyte  
Date:   Sat 31 Jul 12:04

I'd like to think that this new rule won't really affect the content of my posts, but there is an inconsistency if forum members are still allowed to voice their delight at the prospect on Maggie Thatcher dying.


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 Re: Abuse to former players
Topic Originator: Fu_Manchu  
Date:   Sat 31 Jul 12:12

But Thatcher didn't play for the Pars...
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Topic Originator: veteraneastender  
Date:   Sat 31 Jul 12:25

In the mid 70's my mate moved down to Ayrshire with his work.

He went along to an Ayr United v Aberdeen reserve game solely to give major verbals to Barry Mitchell who was then starting the downward slide at Pittodrie.

He harboured a severe grudge for the way BM messed the Pars about playing in a crucial relegation game against Dundee United at the end of 1972 season.
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Topic Originator: Below Par  
Date:   Sat 31 Jul 12:35

Brian is quite right to reminds poster that there is a line which must not be crossed. He is the one in the firing line when a player, friends and family of players, coaches, club directors, fellow supporters and solicitors are on the phone to him complaining about messages on the forum. He is the one being threatened with legal action over defamatory statements........not you lot!

Contrary, to some of the above Brian is not discouraging criticism of players or former players. Having different opinions on the game is a large part of the enjoyment we all get from following our team. But clearly it should be possible to express that view without descending to the level of vitriolic and abusive langauge we have seen on this forum over the years. I am sure Brian doesn't mind the odd sweary word used in the right context.

I suppose a reasonable approach is for posters to consider that if someone wrote the message about themselves and their own family how would they feel? If it would upset them, don't post the message.

And before someone comes back on me, yes, Brian is a good friend and I do help him with the site from time to time. He provides this site for no reward and has given up a huge amount of his family time to provide this site for Pars fans all over the world. The number of active posters on the site has decreased markedly in the past couple of years and we have no doubt that is due to the quality of the messages on the forums. It has nothing to do with the forum rules.

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 Re: Abuse to former players
Topic Originator: Soapbar  
Date:   Sat 31 Jul 13:17

.....Stephen Kenny touched me inappropriately.



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 Re: Abuse to former players
Topic Originator: JnrB  
Date:   Sat 31 Jul 13:22

and stole my dog
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 Re: Abuse to former players
Topic Originator: Buranokan  
Date:   Sat 31 Jul 22:52

Below Par, you've taken the time to put together a reasonable point and if Brian done the same perhaps more people might be inclined to see where he is coming from. Maybe he doesn't feel he needs to, maybe he just isn't capable of doing so or maybe all the grief he gets regards the site has left him with no inclination to try and win people round to his point of view. It really wouldn't do him, his objectives and this website any harm however if he didn't address everyone as though they were children.
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 Re: Abuse to former players
Topic Originator: Peter  
Date:   Sun 01 Aug 00:08

I can see where brians coming from in terms of abuse but I think it really depend on what the abuse is. As for Simmons, If everyone who has been abusive of him was to get a black card then I suspect we'd all have black cards.
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Topic Originator: davepars  
Date:   Sun 01 Aug 00:11

I for one, don't have a bad word to say about O'boyle, and the wife beater Eddie May. *ahem*
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Topic Originator: Jura  
Date:   Sun 01 Aug 00:44

Well I do have bad words to say!

O'Boyle was undoubtedly Fat, Alledgedly Gay and according to several tabloids of the time an Irish Junkie.

Tavarisch!
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Topic Originator: Athletico  
Date:   Sun 01 Aug 22:12

So we can't abuse former/current players? but it's okay for these players to be paid with our hard earned cash and under perform every week?

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Topic Originator: 7th August  
Date:   Sun 01 Aug 23:18

Very poor moderation from the OP,You take every post on it's own merits.I help run a website and a very sucessful one at that and find Brians stance very strange.

And i am banned in 3,2,1.
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 Re: Abuse to former players
Topic Originator: Digs  
Date:   Mon 02 Aug 10:17

Every one of the moaners couldn't get a game for a junior team so please stfu.

What has that got to do with anything? Apart from the fact it's factually incorrect in several people's cases, you don't need to be able to kick a ball to criticise them. That being the case, all football grounds would be empty.

although I'm not in favour of banning the inarticulate

Not sure if that was aimed directly at me, I suspect not but since it appears it was my post that got Brian's Jockeys in a jumble, for the purposes of this discussion, I'll assume it was. Just because 'industrial language' is used in a discussion, it doesn't make the protagonists inarticulate. It merely serves to illustrate and verbally underline, the veracity of the opinion held by the individual.

As I said in my last post, I don't disagree with sentiment behind what Brian is trying to say, but as DD says I think Below Par says it a bit better. However, what was said is still true whether using the Queens English or the vernacular. What one considers 'Personal Attacks' or 'Abuse' seems to be up for debate.

As one other poster asks, what would I think if I or any of my family were to be called the same thing? Well my answer to that would be, I've been called a lot worse than a 's******g' on a fitba park, and I'm still here and not greeting about it.


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Topic Originator: Buranokan  
Date:   Mon 02 Aug 10:26

I've been trying to figure out for days now what 's******g' means, any clues?
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Topic Originator: Digs  
Date:   Mon 02 Aug 10:28

It's a bag, filled with a brown waste product. A term commonly used to describe someone who's a big scaredy cat.


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Topic Originator: Buranokan  
Date:   Mon 02 Aug 10:50

Ah.

He was a s******g.
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 Re: Abuse to former players
Topic Originator: Oompar Par  
Date:   Mon 02 Aug 13:35

I wasn't directing any comments at you Digs. I'm just in favour of people being allowed to express themselves. Who'd go to football if abusing the players was ruled out? If Brian wants a bit more diplomacy, fair enough, but abusing players is part of the fun of the game, always has been. I once heard my own manager telling spectators how bad a player I was. I just laughed it off.
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 Re: Abuse to former players
Topic Originator: Fifes Elite  
Date:   Mon 02 Aug 13:42

lol Buranokan

Raith, Falkirk, Airdrie and Cowdenbeath their combined historical achievements are forever in our shadow.
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Topic Originator: Buranokan  
Date:   Mon 02 Aug 23:45

abusing players is part of the fun of the game, always has been.

This is true, but the problem is that it's hard to make a case for being allowed to abuse people when people with a certain capacity for debate and reason have decided that abusing people is flat out wrong and cannot be tolerated on any level, at all.

We've seen examples where events on here have had an impact beyond the sorry group who frequent this site and i'm not saying that because it's a football forum we should allow situations to develop where people end up either in trouble or in distress. It shouldn't take anybody to point out though that if a football forum is threatening to ban a poster because he referred to a former player as a s******g, then there is far more to worry about than people being called names.

Are we really justifying this ridiculous, ill thought out stance on the grounds that Scott Muirhead might take Brian to court because digs called him a s******g?
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Topic Originator: Parnott  
Date:   Tue 03 Aug 00:37

"Are we really justifying this ridiculous, ill thought out stance on the grounds that Scott Muirhead might take Brian to court because digs called him a s******g?"

Muirhead did actually raise a libel action but could not find any lawyers to take the case on. They thought it was a 50/50 case and Muirhead could not fully commit to it.




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Topic Originator: Lambo1885  
Date:   Tue 03 Aug 08:05

"Muirhead did actually raise a libel action but could not find any lawyers to take the case on. They thought it was a 50/50 case and Muirhead could not fully commit to it."

Pmsl!

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Topic Originator: Fifes Elite  
Date:   Tue 03 Aug 09:00

why don't we have a seperate forum for abusing ex players

Raith, Falkirk, Airdrie and Cowdenbeath their combined historical achievements are forever in our shadow.
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 Re: Abuse to former players
Topic Originator: VivaLaPars  
Date:   Tue 03 Aug 09:04

The Pars players off 2006-2008 always struck me as being a bit precious and hyper-sensitive anyway. Wee lambs. :(

Paulo Nutini GTF!!!!
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Topic Originator: East End Insider  
Date:   Tue 03 Aug 09:18

Quote:

bit precious and hyper-sensitive


Bit like yourself regarding anything musical you deem not worthy.
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 Re: Abuse to former players
Topic Originator: VivaLaPars  
Date:   Tue 03 Aug 09:53

Ha!! Not me. I'm just opinionated.



Paulo Nutini GTF!!!!

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Topic Originator: East End Insider  
Date:   Tue 03 Aug 10:34

Your prerogative. :-) I like Paulo Nutini though...
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Topic Originator: VivaLaPars  
Date:   Tue 03 Aug 10:44

Your perogative! :D



Paulo Nutini GTF!!!!

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 Re: Abuse to former players
Topic Originator: East End Insider  
Date:   Tue 03 Aug 10:47

Touché
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 Re: Abuse to former players
Topic Originator: DAve..FC  
Date:   Tue 03 Aug 11:01

Jim Hamilton is a fat rip! but so am I as he will see if he wants to take action against me ;)

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 Re: Abuse to former players
Topic Originator: Wotsit  
Date:   Tue 03 Aug 11:21

I think that some of our former players have failed to show the club and the fans the respect they deserve. They have been happy to take healthy wages while not giving their all in pursuit of glory for the club and us loyal fans. The fans can't fail to notice when this happens and it p***es us off no end and we like to make sure they know that.

Thankfully, we don't seem to have any of that sort of player left so maybe we should count our blessings and give the current lot our total support?
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